Mach 1 on the way
#31
Hey Darren,

The progress looks great.

Have you been able to enjoy the car much since last year?  Are you also getting some panel work done or just motor work?

Thanks for checking in.
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#32
(11-26-2017, 02:14 PM)Steven Harris Wrote: Hey Darren,

The progress looks great.

Have you been able to enjoy the car much since last year?  Are you also getting some panel work done or just motor work?

Thanks for checking in.

Hi Steven,

I was able to drive the car up until February this year, it was great fun and i would get lots of people asking about the car, then i decided to do a full engine rebuild and also body and paint, i have already completed the engine and its back in the car, i had to do a lot of work to the body and we decided to paint the engine bay the same color as the cars original color Candy apple red.
I would love to post more pics but im having trouble as some just wont attach.
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Heres the engine bay
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#34
This is how the car looks now except the engines back in..


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#35
Lookin Good Darren!  What cam did you decide to use with the Edelbrock heads?
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#36
Looks nice.  Sorry to be a bit negative (again).  If that is a 351W that intake will not fit under a stock hood.  If somebody advised it fits, I'd wonder if they have ever done it.  Tried it myself, and many other have as well.  End result is always either cut a hole in the hood to fit a small air cleaner inside the original Mach 1 scoop, or remove it and use something else, Weiand Stealth, or Edelbrock Performer RPM if you want a dual plane intake manifold.  Of those two, the Weiand Stealth fits the best.  The 351W used a long connecting rod, which is good, so it's taller than 302's and the 351C.  This always creates intake and air cleaner fitment issues.

What happens is you cannot get an air cleaner under the hood.  When I tried it, I ended up calling Edelbrock because their instructions indicate it will fit.  Well . . . the tech support person told me the intake will fit.  But . . . you cannot get an air cleaner to fit.  Fortunately, I purchased it from Summit Racing and they gave me a refund after I explained the situation to them.

I don't know why Edelbrock made the 351W RPM Air Gap intake so tall.  The RPM Air Gap for Chevrolet's and 302 Fords are the same height as their Performer RPM intakes.  It seems like much less design and R&D time went into the Ford 351W RPM air gap intake.

Keep in mind if you try it.  For good performance, you need at least 1" clearance between the air cleaner lid and the top of the carburetor choke horn.  Whatever aftermarket intake manifold you use, do not use stock type intakes gaskets.  Stock gaskets work fine some times.  But aftermarket intakes typically do not fit well enough for stock gaskets to work well.  You need something like one of the Fel Pro Performance intake gaskets or intake gaskets that Edelbrock sells.  In this case the Edelbrock gaskets seem to hold up better for long term street use than the Fel Pro Performance gaskets.  The Fel Pro gaskets will deteriorate around the water passages sooner.  Fel Pro told me their Performance intake gaskets are designed for engines that are frequently disassembled.

I like those valve covers.  I'd suggest using a steel core rubber type gasket with those.  Fel Pro makes them in their Perma Dry Plus line of gaskets or get a Ford valve cover gasket for a 1995 or so 351W.  Ford Racing also sells them.  You'll have to experiment a little.  The Fel Pro Perma Dry Plus gaskets sometimes fit better than factory Ford gaskets.  Gluing cork gaskets to the valve cover often works okay.  When it fails it can be a small oil leak to a fire (which I have seen)  Plus with cork gaskets you constantly need to retighten the bolts.  The steel core gaskets have crush limiters in them so you never need to retighten the bolts.
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(11-27-2017, 05:50 AM)1969_Mach1 Wrote: Looks nice.  Sorry to be a bit negative (again).  If that is a 351W that intake will not fit under a stock hood.  If somebody advised it fits, I'd wonder if they have ever done it.  Tried it myself, and many other have as well.  End result is always either cut a hole in the hood to fit a small air cleaner inside the original Mach 1 scoop, or remove it and use something else, Weiand Stealth, or Edelbrock Performer RPM if you want a dual plane intake manifold.  Of those two, the Weiand Stealth fits the best.  The 351W used a long connecting rod, which is good, so it's taller than 302's and the 351C.  This always creates intake and air cleaner fitment issues.

What happens is you cannot get an air cleaner under the hood.  When I tried it, I ended up calling Edelbrock because their instructions indicate it will fit.  Well . . . the tech support person told me the intake will fit.  But . . . you cannot get an air cleaner to fit.  Fortunately, I purchased it from Summit Racing and they gave me a refund after I explained the situation to them.

I don't know why Edelbrock made the 351W RPM Air Gap intake so tall.  The RPM Air Gap for Chevrolet's and 302 Fords are the same height as their Performer RPM intakes.  It seems like much less design and R&D time went into the Ford 351W RPM air gap intake.

Keep in mind if you try it.  For good performance, you need at least 1" clearance between the air cleaner lid and the top of the carburetor choke horn.  Whatever aftermarket intake manifold you use, do not use stock type intakes gaskets.  Stock gaskets work fine some times.  But aftermarket intakes typically do not fit well enough for stock gaskets to work well.  You need something like one of the Fel Pro Performance intake gaskets or intake gaskets that Edelbrock sells.  In this case the Edelbrock gaskets seem to hold up better for long term street use than the Fel Pro Performance gaskets.  The Fel Pro gaskets will deteriorate around the water passages sooner.  Fel Pro told me their Performance intake gaskets are designed for engines that are frequently disassembled.

I like those valve covers.  I'd suggest using a steel core rubber type gasket with those.  Fel Pro makes them in their Perma Dry Plus line of gaskets or get a Ford valve cover gasket for a 1995 or so 351W.  Ford Racing also sells them.  You'll have to experiment a little.  The Fel Pro Perma Dry Plus gaskets sometimes fit better than factory Ford gaskets.  Gluing cork gaskets to the valve cover often works okay.  When it fails it can be a small oil leak to a fire (which I have seen)  Plus with cork gaskets you constantly need to retighten the bolts.  The steel core gaskets have crush limiters in them so you never need to retighten the bolts.
Good point Mike...I didn't realize how tall the intake was until I read your post.  Putting the performance of the intake aside, is it possible to run a slimmer air filter possibly a 1 inch filter opposed to a 2 inch to compensate for the height of the air cleaner?
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#38
I've been down the road of air cleaners and air filters.  I long ago gave up on purchasing one air cleaner assembly and thinking it would work.  I purchase air cleaner parts separately to create an assemble that fits.  It's truly a challenge with a 351W to get everything under the stock hood when using an aftermarket intake manifold.  Even with a Performer RPM or Weiand Stealth intake manifold.  First, it needs to be a 7/8", 1", 1-1/4", or slightly more drop base air cleaner which means it must be a 14" air cleaner assembly.  Then, if you are using an aftermarket distributor, they are taller than stock, so you are limited to how low the air cleaner base can drop before it contacts the distributor cap.  Lastly, the shape of the lid make a large difference.  The K&N lid or any other with that similar cone type shape are the worst when hood clearance is limited.  The Moroso lids or something shaped like it provide much more hood clearance. 

My current setup with a Weiand Stealth intake manifold is a 7/8" drop K&N base, 3" tall filter, and a stock repro 289 performance 14" diameter air cleaner lid.  A Moroso style lid also fits.  This setup gives me: (1) 1/2" clearance to the hood, (2) in the area of the carb choke, the lid is approx. 1" above it, (3) the air cleaner base is about 1/8 above the dist. cap.  

As far as shorter filter elements, if you read through K&N's tech information to select a filter with enough surface area, you quickly realize a 14" diameter element that is two inches tall or shorter, even with a K&N will not flow enough air.  Also, with filter elements that short you run into issues of the air cleaner lid being too close to the choke horn and bowl vent tubes.  Also, with the shape of drop base air cleaner bases, using a short filter will cause the air cleaner lid and base to contact each other or have very clearance for air flow.

The Edelbrock Torker II and the Edelbrock Performer intakes have carb pads that are stock height.  However, the carb pad on those intakes are moved forward, far from the stock location.  This creates more issues with the air cleaner contacting the distributor cap.
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#39
Hey Darren,

The repaint is looking good and I do like the car colored engine bay although black is good too - I can't really say if I'll change mine in time or not.

Your engine looks sweet.

Mike - wow, you are a great source of information on intake heights and air filter fitment!  Everyone should be so lucky as to have someone who has tried all those options and know what works!  Thanks for speaking up.
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#40
Back in the 1980's when there were few air cleaner options, my older brother drove his 69 Mach 1 without an air cleaner for at least three years.  Eventually sold it like that, no air cleaner.
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