Borgeson 800330 DOES fit 1969 Mach 1 351w with air
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Update - Thanks to Masterblaster's advice, I found the pump DOES work. The saga finally ends happily.

You may have seen my other recent post about switching to a Borgeson gearbox in order to get rid of the leak-prone and messy slave-cylinder Bendix steering. (http://mach1club.com/showthread.php?tid=5820 )That went in fine, but shortly thereafter the power steering pump went bad - most likely because I ran it dry for an extended period (by necessity at night on a long trip due to a leak in the old system). I figured I'd try a Borgeson Saginaw-style pump, since that's what originally goes with the Borgeson gearbox. Here's a heads up: it won't work on your 69 Mach 1 351w if you have factory air conditioning.

My 1969 Mach 1 with a 351 Windsor has factory air conditioning. If I removed the air conditioning compressor, this would fit great. In fact, the pump bolts on easily into the two 9/16" holes in the driver-side head, and you don't need to remove the existing pump/compressor bracket. However, once installed, the unit rests directly below the air conditioning compressor with about 1/2" between the filler cap and the compressor. There is no way to remove the filler cap without either removing the pump or the compressor. Here's are 2 pictures of this lovely piece of engineering"

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a758w8mlzcvdn...GZZDa?dl=0

Also, Summit Racing Equipment has the wrong bracket displayed in the picture of this item on their web site. I was concerned about that, because if you check the Borgeson site directly (or even search the internet for pictures of part 800330), the bracket shown is a flat piece of 1/2" steel plate, not the bent piece with arms shown on Summit's site. The item Summit sent to me actually has the flat plate, which is correct for the application (but only if you do NOT have air conditioning.

The unit looks high quality and was easy to install. It would probably work well, but it doesn't fit my application as advertised and now my car is off the road for yet another week as summer quickly passes.

5 stars to Summit service though. The reason I bought this through Summit is due to their great return policy, fast service and informative emails that keep you posted on the entire process. Make sure you read the return policies on competing sites (i.e. Jegs) - many of them will not refund your purchase price, but only give you credit for other merchandise. That's tough to stomach on expensive parts.

Now I'm going back to a rebuilt Bendix/TRW/Eaton pump, which in hind-sight is what I should have done in the first place. The design on the Bendix pump is really bad through, with that huge "O" ring sealing the pump-to-reservoir interface. Combine that with a thin reservoir housing that can easily be dented, and you have a leak just waiting to happen. If you ask me, Ford should have outsourced their power steering design to someone who passed engineering. They seemed to know what they were doing with everything else though.
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Thank you for posting your experience with what works and doesn't work on the 69 Mach 1. Here's hoping you have the best of success sooner than latter and are back on the road with the Mach 1.

I have also had great success with Summit Racing customer service. It is so nice to know when your parts are being shipped and where they are. I have several pending orders for my son's Maverick that I am working on and although my card has been debited the parts are on back order and the only way I know that is that I had to call and find out what was up. Summit has done their homework on how to treat the customer.

All the best in your efforts. Please keep us updated.
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Ok;SCo_hmmthink
I have your solution to your Borgeson Power steering pump mounting problem.
I had this same problem two weeks ago on my sons car and the darned compressor was just right in the way.
I bought that same borgeson unit.

My solution was ten trips to the auto parts store to find a custom fit fan belt that was longer and allowed the slight angle to the power steering pump while allowing the dipstick cap on your pump to still be removed.
We now have the room for the a/c compressor.

After an all day evolution it worked like a charm.
I had found the perfect length that would allow belt adjustment while allowing me to check fluids and get the cap off. Biggrin
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#4
Thanks! Funny, I just got off the phone with Blair from tech support at Borgeson. He suggested something along the same lines. The original guy I emailed with, Gil, had a less than helpful suggestion: "What some customers who have AC have done is to remove the dipstick from the pump or shim the compressor up a bit to clear the reservoir cap." (Remove the dipstick from the pump? Yeah, that won't be needed, especially as it's attached to the cap)

Also, it turns out that many re-manufactured TRW or Eaton pumps don't have the pressure capacity to run the Borgeson steering box. I suspect that's especially the case with the $59 version (vs. the $269 version).

Is your son's car a 1969 Mach 1? If so, can you tell me the part number for the belt so that I don't have to make 10 trips? :-) If not, I suppose I'll use a piece of rope around the pulleys and take that to the parts store with me.

Thanks again, I'll re-order the Saginaw pump from Summit today.

Regards,
John
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#5
No my sons car is a 67 mustang with a 289 engine, however the thing bolts up the same way.
The belts may be different.
The brackets will be the same situation as far as your clearances go.

What I should have done looking back would have been to just buy a dozen different sizes and just take back the others once I figured it all out. Respect is a learning curve I guess.

If you are running headers then those darned hoses they furnish will seem short and really close to the header.
I plan on slipping a heat shield sleeve over the hoses and clamping them close to the shock tower for as much distance as possible from the headers.
I did have to modify the driver header on two of the tubes. It cost ($820.00) Angryto get the special mods done to the header and another $120.00 Sadto get it re-ceramic powder coated.
Now this was a brand new JBA shorty header set.
Hopefully you don't have that issue.Pray
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Masterblaster... thanks a million for the advice. That works. I'm back on the road and smiling.

Here's a summary: Most stock Ford pumps don't put out enough fluid pressure to work a Borgeson steering box. A Borgeson Saginaw-style pump that puts out 1200 psi. is needed I got mine from SummitRacingEquipment.com. If you have air conditioning, you need to tilt the pump out to the right (looking towards the back of the car) on the bracket and use a different belt. For a 69 Mach 1 with factory air, that is a v-belt 50.5" - 52 inches long and 3/8" wide. I'm using a Drive Rite automotive V-belt - #50513. I needed to have a custom hydraulic line fabricated in order to clear the headers since the pressure hose supplied by Borgeson was too short. The return line was exactly the right length. The hoses loop up to the top of the shock tower and I used a black plastic wire-tie to attach them to the shock tower brace.

I've sent a summary of these installation notes to Borgeson. Their guy Blair said he'd "send it up" so that someone would make the info available on their site.
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#7

One other tid bit of info I left out was that it will be necessary also to slightly tilt the lower Compressor valve to allow the lid to be removed on the power steering pump.
I am glad that you had the stamina to get it going.
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(09-08-2014, 10:14 PM)Masterblaster7212 Wrote: One other tid bit of info I left out was that it will be necessary also to slightly tilt the lower Compressor valve to allow the lid to be removed on the power steering pump.
I am glad that you had the stamina to get it going.

Thanks, stamina's a good word for it. Still working great. BTW, I also tilted the lower compressor valve. A note to those who may also try tilting the valve - only loosen the nut a very little bit in order to turn/tilt the valve. If you let air into the air-conditioning system you'll need to replace the dryer cylinder before recharging the system.
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